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Sunday, 1 February 2009

Then and now


Hi Cuckooites,our feature for this month will be Titled then and Now.We are asking all of you to send in a photo of yourself or some one in the family taken when you grew up as a Kid or teenager.
Then please send along with this photo a recent one taken of that person as you look today.We can have a lot of fun with this.We will put them on our website and also include them in our new book we are working on.
Del Southern also informs me that Best of British is going to publish his article that he has written on the Cuckoo estate after the war years.A copy of this publication will be available at news agents the 1st Febuary be sure and buy a copy.Del also said they may be interested on a article about our group Cuckooites and how we came about.Lot's of interesting things happening.
 
Have a good month Tommy.

36 comments:

John Mathews said...

Hi Tommy
My name is John Matthews and lived at 52 Templeman Road from 1937 until 1959 and still living in Hanwell.
Have just discovered your existance from an artical in the latest edition of the Best Of British magazine.
It brought back many memories of my childhood days
Kindest regards
John

Tags said...

Wecome aboard John, if you can write some memories we'd love to read them and if you can send Tommy copies of any old photos that you may have of the good old days we'd appreciate it. Or as you live in Hanwell still some photos of the Bunny Park etc. and of how it has all changed are of interest too.

Anonymous said...

Hi Bob, you are right about the family, we lived above Clarks the Bakers in Bordars Walk. Although I'm wondering if you might have been a friend of one of my brothers, Harry, John or Reg. I was the youngest, all the rest went to Cuckoo School. When I listened about the stories of the school and the teachers, especially Mr Pickering who was renowned for pulling the ears of miscreants, I was determine not to go there. So tried extra hard a withthe 11-plus and went to Drayton Manor...ron ratchford

Anonymous said...

Hi Bob, you are right about the family, we lived above Clarks the Bakers in Bordars Walk. Although I'm wondering if you might not have been a friend of one of my brothers, Harry, John or Reg. I was the youngest, all the rest went to Cuckoo School. When I listened about the stories of the school and the teachers, especially Mr Pickering who was renowned for pulling the ears of miscreants, I was determined not to go there. So tried extra hard with the 11-plus and went to Drayton Manor...ron ratchford

bob stevens said...

Hi.Ron,how old are your brothers? I went to Cuckoo Senior school from 1949-1953 left at 14, have you seen the class photo on the site perhaps you would look and identify your brother, I think he is standing in the back row.

Ron Ratchford said...

Bob, I think you may have gone to school with John, who was an excellent footballer. He was in class with Ginger Stone I think and also played football with John Battaglia. He now lives in Canberra about ten minutes drive from me. He migrated from Brookbank Ave W7, about six years ago, when he retired. Harry is the oldest he is about 70 and lives in Hillingdon, Reg is about 66and lives in Northolt. It's dreadful that I don't know their ages exactly, but whenever I see them they don't look any older.

Where do I ind the photo? regards

JohnB said...

To add to the time capsule:
I went to the senior school at age of about 11 in 1954 and left after two years to go to Ealing tech/art school around 1956/7. Then I stayed at art school 'til about 1963/4.
Some kids I remember when I was at Cuckoo (Brentside) school who were about the same age as myself who were probably in my "A" class were:
Ronnie Dews,David Ball,Peter Frost,Charlie Baker,David Conquest,
Colin Forest, Gordon Furneuax, Dave Elliot (who also went to art school with me),The Baxter's boy,
Harvey Gilbert, Auger (Augie?),
Roland Novak, Sid Moore, Sid Davis,
Tony Deer, Garfield Innes, Alan Russel (not in my class), Battersby, Jackie French, Tony Mundy (killed in a crash on a bike), Norman Bridle, ...there must be more of 'em.
In defense of teacher's like Pickering (Physical.Ed.or PT.) if it wasn't for teachers like him we may have all grown up as a bunch of wimps, they were strict and try to install discipline, but they had our best interests at heart I think and their bark was worse than their bite.

tags said...

Just remember those teachers had the "upper remove" class kids to deal with too.
I think Mr.Davies had a black belt in the marshall arts as well.

tags said...

If anyone wants to find the old Cuckoo class photos of football teams.
Click on the arrow next to 2007 and look in the months of August,June and May.
There are probably some more in other months and also the year 2008
I'm not sure exactly where though.

jim davis said...

Hi johnb, one thing that is forgotten about the upper removed kids is, dyslexia was not recognized in those days. There are many ways that handicap manifests itself, and it is far more common than many people realize. Some of those children might have been disruptive because no one understood their needs, I am sure we can all understand that. Till Ted Baker came along I personally only knew one person who was in that class. Brian Farley, a nice bloke and a very successful business man, and now comes along Ted, he seems to have found his place nicely in society also. So if they had been understood back then many of those children would not have had to endue the stigma of being in upper removed. Oh-well! that is my sermon for the day.

Tommy said...

Your point is well taken Jim.I remember there was a stigma if you was in a D class,you where looked down upon as dummies,sorry to use that phrase for use of a better on.I am sure most of these kids went on to have a successful life and found their own notch in society.

jim davis said...

I sincerely hope they did Tom. It would be so sad if they didn't.

tags said...

A lot of the kids were, not in the upper remove just because they couldn't read or write properly, some were there beacause of some learning handicap or other disadvantage though.
Some were in it just because they were a bit of a wild and unruly bunch.
Paddy's brother Terry,told me at the reunion tha he was in the upper remove, and there were a lot more that I can't remember right now, many of them excelled in other ways, such as sports, or they made out ok in life because they had a lot of street smarts or common sense.
I think the term upper remove meant that they had to stay at school an extra year to try and catch up a bit more on the life skills they would need when they left school.

jim davis said...

That part about staying at school an extra year Is wrong Johnb. In the ordinary Senior schools the compulsery time you had to remain there was until the age of 15, after that it was voluntary. I think Grammer schools was 16 but I would not swear to it.

Tags said...

Anyone ever remember singing...
Umpah, Umpah, stick it up yer Jumpah?

jim davis said...

Yeah when I was about Five.

yvonneh said...

hi is this an all male site or can anyone join. Ok less of the groans, i am here.John b why are you sticking up for the malicious bullies that called themselves teachers. I firmly believe in discipline, but some of the things that occured were just teachers who got some weird satisfaction in bullying children, Brian came home many times with wheals accross his hands or bottom, No matter what he did that kind og punishment was out of order, From an adult to CHILD. a CLIP ROUND THE EAR OR STOPPING FOOTBALL PRACTISE WOULD HAVE DONE JUST AS WELL, MANY CHILDREN GREW UP THINKING THAT BULLYING WAS THE NORMAL THING TO DO.I was poked consistently with a ruler by one teacher, which made me hate her. After putting up with it for a long time I kicked her, she wasnt bought to task for poking me but I was almost expelled for retaliating. Sadists is what some of them were and they should never have been allowed near children,I remember a girl being locked in the art cupboard by miss hudson, the only lesson it taught her was how to trash an art cupboard, and all for talking in class. Eff said it was her that it happened to.It wasnt just the boys that suffered. If a teacher respected me then it was two way traffic

jOHN said...

You know Yvonne, I never actually saw anything was not considered standard teacher behavior in those days as far as the discipline we received.
Getting the cane, or rapped on the hand with a ruler, or having your hair twisted, and the like all seemed acceptable to most of us boys, we knew what to expect if we misbehaved in class.
I never really saw anything that would have been considered particularly sadistic, but that is not to say it may have happened in other classes and years. However, Crabby Crowden was a real witch, I don't think she liked little boys much at all, but I understand where your coming from on the subject, and as a general rule I think it wise that kids today do not get the same treatment that we did. Perhaps they have all grown up much better and more well behaved citizens for having had more humane treatment from their teachers. How do they discipline them now, I suppose they tell their parents if the dear little angels were naughty.

jOHN said...

Having said all that, I don't want to leave you thinking that I condone any form of corporal punishment, quite the opposite.
I was just trying to make the point that what most of got for stepping out of line was usually the standard form of discipline back then. Actually most of us would be more afraid of our parents finding out if we had misbehaved at school. None the less we have come a long way since those days and I firmly believe a good talking to from Mum and Dad is a much better way of handling things and you are right there is always two sides to a coin.
I was just glad to get the hell out that school, if there any sadists at all it was the psychopathic bullies that ran rampant in the somewhat unsupervised playground or picked on those younger and littler than them. Those were the sadists that I hated, some of them were far worse than the teachers, who in my opinion did a pretty good job of giving us an education and many of them were kind people who had our best interests at heart.
How could any boy not like, Jock Anderson, Griggsy, Coburn, Bartholomew, Miss Irwin or many of the others. What I found more cruel was having to listen to Mr. Powell read history to us from a great big book which became so boring that we nearly all fell asleep at our desks. That was a big shame really because history is a great subject if it is taught more creatively and with imagination rather than listening some drivel from a book without some kind of explanation or debate.
Still who cares what I think anyway.

jOHN said...

I may offend some folk by saying this, and I don't want to sound like a snob, but later in life, I think it was in the late sixties, I was also glad to see get away from the Estate which had gone through a bad patch for a few years. It was not the same as it was when we were all younger, it didn't appeal to me anymore, I prefer to remember the happier days when it was nicer.

jim davis said...

I saw Mr Pickering the P.T. teacher once make a boy bend over and he whacked him across the buttocks with the end of the climbing rope for miss behaving. The rope had lead attached to the end, then encased in leather to keep it weighed down. When the lad was in the shower afterwards he had a huge bruise right across his backside. A lot of us grew up and had to learn how to live with things that rightly would not be tolerated now days. But I would like to point out that although many of us were not angels we grew up learning respect for others and understood punishment would be dished out when it was needed. Now there is no fear because there is no punishment, and without looking too far, you can see how many cretins take advantage of that fact.

jOHN said...

I must admit that Pickering was probably too tough on some kids.
There was an incident that I now recall of when Pickering tried to make an example and prove his own prowess. One day he verbally abused a boy in PT class because he could not perform a certain excersise very well. That boy was not as physically able as some of us were and was from across the Greenford Avenue. Being a somewhat brainy, sickly and sensitive child, the boy was embarrassed and took his abuse so badly, that he had an epileptic siezure right there and then in the Gymn.
There is more than one kind of punishment and I think Pickering's behavior in this case it was cruel and definitely out of order.

yvonneh said...

Glad my comments have got you all thinking. Kids having respect does not come from strangers walloping them Parents are the ones who should be doing this as our parents did, the problem is that some parents have no time for their kids, to talk to them or listen to them, kids are not born bad or rude, they learn from there parents behavior ither towards them or towards others, there are no rules any more do,s and dont,As families without all these computers and wiiis, we listened to the radio or mum played the piano, we did jigsaws played marbles with a shoebox with doors cut out,or read comics, played conkers We never called an adult by there first name it was mrs or mr and I cant count the number of aunts and uncles we had we were families, and it was inbuilt in us to show others respect and you never forgot your pleases and thankyou. we always had some neighbour looking out for us and if we did wrong which was always, we were disciplined by our parents which I respected more than some of the sadistic teachers.

jim davis said...

Hold on Yvonne don't take this too far. There are a lot of men, that will pay a lot of money to be whipped by women. Do you want to spoil everything?

george said...

Good old Jim!!!

tags said...

If the parents in the USA physically discipline their own kids today.
Get this...

the kid's report 'em and then sue 'em.

How about that then a...?

jim davis said...

If that be true John and it was over here, then I am sorry I will not have anyone coming at me with threats of any kind. Be it a stranger or a child of my own. Believe me I would tell the child and mean it, that in response to his/her action my reaction would be to put that child into care. Many of you might disagree with me but I do mean it. As far as I am concerned their action would result in my reaction.

yvonneh said...

Jim, I wouldnt want to spoil your fun, but amazingly agree with some of your sentiments. If relationships had got that far down the line that they have to resort to taking court action where would it end,would they take action against there siblings for bashing them or arguing or playing with their toys. If a child felt it necessary to take action against me, rather than talk it out, then the breakdown would be so bad that I would no longer have there trust, so if the court were going to overide me as their parent then they would have to decide what to do with them afterwards. As like Jim what would you do without respect. If every time you chastised them they went to court.
I believe John that we were heading that way, but I think our legal system is more sensible. are there lots of these cases in America? after all parents should be allowed to make some rules for the family to abide by. Otherwise as soon as we gave birth we should hand them over to the state to bring up.

jim davis said...

Oh dear Yvonne I find myself agreeing with you now, but you are right. If your child cannot be chastised but after cooling down realize that you do love them. Then you have not done you job properly, and or the child is lacking in love for you. Either way the question should be asked, what do I do now? Because it is stupid in the extreme to put up with a child trying to rule you. Of course that is just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Well the laws are in place to help protect the children that are victims of the extreme abuse cases.

I imagine you get a few there too.
I think that Global warming for example and this economic crisis are just other indications of the lack of common sense that seems prevalent nowadays.

We call this progress!!??

tags said...

Ooops!
I'm sorry I'm not anonymous at all.
Not anymore anyway.
John

Ethel (Stevens) Damian said...

I have been reading your comments with great interest, because I was one of the children that suffered with teacher abuse when I attended St. Anns. Those four years were the unhappiest time of my life and I would not want to ever return to those days. I was sent outside the door so much I have no idea how I ever managed to stay in the 'A' class and get an education. I always held my breath during report cards. My poor little mother was called up to the school many times, usually for things that I hadn't done, but mainly because I would not give the teachers the names of the girls that had. Such unhappy memories your comments have left with me.
In 2005 I went back to St. Anns with my neice Dawn, and husband George. The head mistress, which is now a school for the handicaped, personally took us on a tour. I'm afraid when I went through the art room and also my old class room, I remembered cruel Miss Hudson and that horrible Miss Chapman and I was close to tears. Then something wonderful happened, it was like I purged myself of the old b---'s. I hope that all of them are resting in peace, and not turning over in their graves like they should be right now.
Sorry about that.
Now onto happier subjects......Please.....

jim davis said...

Eff although in very many ways they were not good times for you. Perhaps you should be thankful for them. We learn and adapt to things that happen daily. Today you are very slightly different from yesterday. The only time we stop changing in this life is when we die. So what I am saying is, everything that has happened in your life has molded you into the person you are today. If your past was significantly different then you would not be the Eff you are now.

yvonneh said...

Well done Eff. Life wasnt always rosy then, but we tend to forget the bad and only deal with the nice things in the past and the fun we had. But I for one will never forget the bullying inflicted on myself and others. But once again I have to (grudgingly) agree with Jim when he says that these things shaped our lives. Obviously for the better it would appear.

yvonneh said...

Well done Eff. Life wasnt always rosy then, but we tend to forget the bad and only deal with the nice things in the past and the fun we had. But I for one will never forget the bullying inflicted on myself and others. But once again I have to (grudgingly) agree with Jim when he says that these things shaped our lives. Obviously for the better it would appear.

Ethel (Stevens) Damian said...

Thanks for the kind words Yvonne and Jim. Yes, I have had a wonderful life after leaving school, and made many many friends from all around he world, also travelled to countries I could only dream about as a kid.
As for Miss Hudson and her art class at St. Anns, she discouraged me from taking the test to go art school, told me I was not good enough and not to waste people's time. Well here the joke is on her because I did eventually teach myself to paint in oils, and would display my paintings in our office. It was a car hire business and we had tourists from all around the world as customers and yes, some of them would buy my paintings, which made me very happy.
Eff